Michael T Ganschow Green: going to do that intro again Hello everyone, welcome to the first of our open lab sessions, the class before every project eight will be an open lab so that you guys can ask me questions and hit me up for things um.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I am this before I open up the floor for.
Michael T Ganschow Green: questions, I am going to do a quick ftp DEMO For those of you who were not here last class, you can see how ftp works, because that's where you're gonna have to turn in your preliminary work since there's no physical meeting in this class.
Michael T Ganschow Green: i'm going to have you guys instead put your working graphics folder full of all your preliminary work.
Michael T Ganschow Green: scans your sketches and any of your wife's and all your research and things like that put all that together.
Michael T Ganschow Green: and put it in this work and graphics folder and ftp it up on the server so i'm going to DEMO that again so that we have multiple demos of it for people to to refer to.
Michael T Ganschow Green: When they are working on it, because we have the DEMO from the beginning last class and then I and then.
Michael T Ganschow Green: probably going to be a nice couple of hours for you guys to ask questions so time for me real quick to jump on and let's see here we're going to.
Michael T Ganschow Green: pop open some ftp information whoops I don't want to, I want to share my screen here real quick full screen sharing a whole share there we go cool all right so i'm gonna wait till zoom chrome goes wait goes Okay, so we are going to.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Go to the ftp info sheets and we are going to kick it off with files zilla so file zilla is a free ftp program that is available online.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you want to use files ella and you don't have it on your machine all you have to do is go to the files zilla homepage.
Michael T Ganschow Green: will go to the files zilla project.org to go here, let me paste this in the chat so that people can find it so for those who are watching pre recorded, please go to the chat log and you will find.
Michael T Ganschow Green: This link the files in a project.org and you can download the file zilla client, for whatever your platform is it's cross platform and the interface is very similar whether you're working on a PC or on a MAC only the only things that change.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Our the os things.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Control something on the PC rather than command something on the MAC that's it but otherwise it works pretty much the same okey dokey so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You can Dan and you can directly download files zilla by clicking this button here files in this website will auto detect what your.
Michael T Ganschow Green: computer is whether it's a PC running windows or MAC running os X and it will download the correct version, for you alright so with That being said, let me open something up here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Go go cool okay so let's switch the zoom chrome to disappear because I need to click on something there we go alright so we're going to go into file zilla and i'm going to show you how it works.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So last class I talked about making sites and all of that, with file zilla you can do site routes file zilla very similar to how.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You can do it in dreamweaver but, in our case i'm not going to worry too much about that so here's files ella this one's actually here i'm going to close this one and open a brand fresh.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Just nice open here's a brand fresh clean files, the law so up here and these three little servers you can establish.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Pre existing servers have these three little server icons up at the top, you click on this it POPs open the site manager here, and then you can make a new site and put in all of your server information for anything that you.
Michael T Ganschow Green: That for any server that you're going to use constantly you put in here if you're not going to use it constantly, then you don't have to worry about this, all you have to do is enter your servers information up here, depending on what your servers information may do so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: In our case in this class we're going to need to know the host the username and the password.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Some of you, when you go out and get your own ftp is to host your own websites go and get your own servers were hosting accounts to host your own websites.
Michael T Ganschow Green: will get slightly different information you'll get a hostname username a password and it's all require different port we're not worried about the port.
Michael T Ganschow Green: In our class here all we're worried about is the hostname username and the password cam so not a not a time, not a time to worry about here so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: All right, first step.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Well, first step is to go to the.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Jesse 175 class website and grab the student ftp information that's right here in these ftp info sheets when you do each one will open a series of pdfs that are customized to.
Michael T Ganschow Green: get a couple of common applications I use the ones that are installed on the computer lab at TMC see as an example, now there are a number of other ftp programs that are not their cyber duck cute ftp all of those guys, but on our case we use file zilla.
Michael T Ganschow Green: dreamweaver So those are the two that i'm going to DEMO alright some files looks pretty good Oh, there is no, no, not you and it's my sound tester Thank you.
Michael T Ganschow Green: There you are okay to file zilla with its quick connect up top here so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: here is how we connect to this guy so we have a host a username and a password So if you want to be really lazy like Michael is feeling like right now, you can simply copy the host name.
Michael T Ganschow Green: right here in the PDF and paste it right appear in the host to there's no spaces, at the beginning, or the end and you're copying.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Then we can come to the username.
Michael T Ganschow Green: copy that.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And then didn't work we don't make the sounds, by the way, and then we can highlight our password password I want to highlight you a little farther away yeah that's better copy that.
Michael T Ganschow Green: By the way, i'm just using command C and then hit paste when i'm asked quick connect chug chug chug chug chug chug and up here in the connection status area, you can see, it is connecting to the server.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And I know that because it's telling me so and because a little folder full of names have appeared over there, this is the student folder for your.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Your websites, so, if you look in the handout you want to go find your website once you put it up, that is available at http https now but it'll auto resolve it http colon slash slash www dot.
Michael T Ganschow Green: slash student slash spring dash 2021 slash your name separated by dashes and, as you can see, in my DEMO here, you can see everybody's name in here separated by dashes okay.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So everybody's got a folder in here at least everybody as of I think was rolled in the class as of like about two weeks ago.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you go through this list, and you don't see your name in here, let me know, and I will go in and create it and add you a name over here in the student work page, so that you can just do a quick click and go find your work.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And accidentally trigger the zoom chrome to drop down no zoom chrome No thank you we're going to go not here by so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Alright, so that's how to get in.
Michael T Ganschow Green: relatively straightforward put in your host put in your username put in your password click click connect and that of course is all available at the come on some chrome.
Michael T Ganschow Green: chrome okay is all available right here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Alright, so now.
Michael T Ganschow Green: minimize this real quick because i'm going to go to my root folder which should already be open, not that one or one of the class folders you guys over here move your.
Michael T Ganschow Green: head pictures with the chat over here close downloads bye bye downloads alright, so now we're going to go to gnc 175 tiffany blue alright so um all of your preliminary work should be in your work and graphics if you have.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you have physical.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Like you're done hand sketches and all of that just take a picture with your phone or scan them on a scanner and put them in here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you've gotten like physical researcher physical notes or anything like that again just take a picture with your phone.
Michael T Ganschow Green: A nice visible picture, so I can see it not like it's a it's a it's a sheet of paper over in the corner over here oh look there's my notes Michael oh yeah, no, no, it has to be a nice clear picture of your stuff.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Otherwise.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I won't be able to see it so just snatch a picture and.
Michael T Ganschow Green: an email it to yourself from your phone and dump it in your working graphics here so once you get this all set up with all of your digital and physical preliminary work and that's all the digital files for your to roughs from the preliminary critique as well.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Then, what I want you to do is I want you to convert your working graphics folder into a compressed folder zip folder ideally.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And you do that on a MAC you go control and compress on a PC you go control send to zip folder and it will make a nice little compressed zip file now, the reason why i'm having to do this one is to shrink the file size down on them.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And to you're going to be turning in a zip folder with all of your preliminary work in it for every other project, one of the bad habits, this can create.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Is that you can put graphics and you're working graphics folder that you would like to link to your website.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And so converting this to a zip will break any of those links and tell you really quickly what is not in your images folder up here um.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So with it as a zip file now it's a easier to put up because it's smaller and be it allows you to see what you have left in your working graphics folder that's actually production ready art images files whatever and should be in your images folder.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Alright, so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: let's toss this online shall we all right let's go to my file zilla so I got file Salah here and I want to put something online.
Michael T Ganschow Green: A little something you know just a little something so if i'm my student folder in the folder list notice i've got the list of folders here, so if i'm a student folder here and a double click on it.
Michael T Ganschow Green: What that will do is that will open into the student folder so that we have the empty student folder here now, as you fill this up with things over, over time, with the projects.
Michael T Ganschow Green: On you'll see more and more folders in here, but right now all of our should be empty unless you been playing with these some of you who have over here last class so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Then, to put my work and graphics up all I gotta do right here is go boom drag and drop and then over the course of a couple of minutes, as you can see, by the status bar down here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: This will upload your working graphics folder take a little bit depending on your Internet connection speed and the size of your particular work and graphics folder yeah.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So questions on this process.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I have a longer version of this in the pre recording for last class as well, so once this gets uploaded and we have it in place, I will show you a couple of care and feeding things here in.
Michael T Ganschow Green: In file zilla and then we will bounce to dreamweaver and I will show you how to ftp via dreamweaver.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Java Java, once this gets up there goes we're almost there and then, and then we will do a little bit of care and feeding stuff with the files alrighty then so let's see here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: okey dokey so tonight chaka chaka chaka of course now when i'm talking every go sometimes they hang a little like that so here, it goes all right now.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You want to rename the file I got to do is either right click on it, if you're on a PC or a MAC that's got a multi button mouse or control click on it, if you're dealing with a single button mouse or trackpad on a PC or excuse me yeah yeah automatic it's control click as well.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So right click on it, if you're on a PC though alright, so now we can change a few things here if we want to change the name of the file.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Oh, we got to do is on this flight menu that that clicks out when you right click on it or control click on it, you go rename and suddenly will let you change the name of the file, so I can call this to you lead me.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And boom it changes the name right there in file sila remotely so over here, this is my local.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Computer and sparks Nevada and over here, this is my hosting server in Austin Texas so i've just changed the name of something in a city completely remote to me.
Michael T Ganschow Green: boom, just like that now, if I wanted to lead it again I right click on it or control click on it.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And I come down here to this guy right here, and I say delete and it will take them out now i'll delete him in just a second because I want to show one other thing before you guys for jumping the dreamweaver.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Unfortunately, you can't yeah yeah you dragged and we just drag this file in here just just just just just drag him into place well Unfortunately you can't do the reverse and drag them out onto your computer.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you want to download something via ftp using this particular program anyway.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You have to come over here to your local computer directory, which should be pointing at your local hard drive and they got to surf through your local computer directory until you find where you want to put your file like safe, I want to put it on my desktop here, I have to go to my.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Users folder find my name.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And then find my desktop.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Then.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I can click and drag this guy like that, and it will download him God will download him then i'll delete him.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Now my download is much quicker than my upload, as you can see it most of your connections will doubtlessly work, the same way So here we got almost all most done.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo one more here we go to the elevator music Tintin.
Michael T Ganschow Green: We are now downloaded and if I go to my desktop somewhere over here there it is delete me that zip you've asked me to delete you had don't mind if I do.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And over here on my server i'm gonna do the same thing if I want to delete a file that's remote over here all I gotta do is control click on it.
Michael T Ganschow Green: go about three quarters the way down this list, right here to delete match the delete button and it just would you really like to delete it, oh no, and I say oh yes click and it's gone.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So that is putting up files downloading files renaming files and deleting files in file zilla.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So this class will likely, I will get this class up as soon as it finishes bacon probably sometime tomorrow afternoon evening.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you need a refresher you girls watch last class where I did this as well, but if you want to watch this DEMO it'll be up sometime tomorrow evening alright so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: questions on file zilla before I jump into anything else.
The chat.
If anybody wants to ask anything sound while.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I let's do the dream Weaver version, then.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So file zilla.
Michael T Ganschow Green: See Hello dream Weaver you're still pointed at my class files so we're going to close up class recordings and we're going to change route folders so we're gonna go Hello and we're going to go site.
Michael T Ganschow Green: manage sites alright, so now we're going to go to G RC 175 class demonstration site three and i'm going to mess around with that guy a little bit so i'm going to Double Click on him to mess around.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Alright, so you guys are all pretty familiar with creating site root and dreamweaver now we've done it I don't know four times um.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So you know what what the hey let's do it.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So i'm going to delete this guy bye bye yup you cannot do you want to delete a site, oh no yes, I would like to delete.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Some breaking news site G earth the 175.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Class demonstration.
Michael T Ganschow Green: For and from a local site folder i'm going to go find the root for my site which is somewhere on the desk.
Michael T Ganschow Green: In reality, it's right there and I click choose, then I go to my advanced settings and I come over here to my images folder and I click on this little guy and it should already be pointed in there there it is images and then Lastly, I come down to jquery.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And I pointed at script now we can add remote server information like we did with the ftp.
Michael T Ganschow Green: During this point or I click save and it says to route folders yeah I know I know.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If i've already got an already created site, I can simply highlight it or actually Double Click on it, and that will bring up the.
Michael T Ganschow Green: site setup dialog box again and I can mess with adding remote information so For those of you who need the flyer for this, that is, add Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo book on.
Michael T Ganschow Green: That is right here boom ftp info dreamweaver we're going to copy that to our chat to that everyone will get a copy of that link as well, so again pretty much the same information, the ftp of it works, a.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Little differently, but that's okay that's why diverse combinations well it's good so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: i'm to add a remote server information there's no real quick connect here like there is with.
Michael T Ganschow Green: files so you're gonna require this requires a little more involved to do it, but not a big deal Okay, do you Member here, you did site you energy side information here remember advanced settings here, we did the images and then we went into jquery and we added our scripts here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So, in order to add a remote server we add that remote server right here, so we can add multiple servers, by the way, so you can have a root folder.
Michael T Ganschow Green: That you can put files up to multiple different places, if you would like I got to do to add one is click the plus sign and then boom here comes the.
Michael T Ganschow Green: server information now dreamweaver calls the hostname locally, so I have it here is ftp host a dream Weaver calls it, a.
Michael T Ganschow Green: ftp address but it's the same difference, so you copy your hosting information, right here hello, and then we come in here and we copy our.
Michael T Ganschow Green: User login information that we've dreamweaver calls it, a username yes, it does boom username and then come in here and copy Mr password.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Because I can't be our store Member up that's why I put it in a handout so we're going to copy Mr Panda hey I know I would like to copy only the password Thank you copy and then we're gonna go.
Michael T Ganschow Green: whoopee there's password they're cool now I can mash the test button and it will say, am I clicked in yay dreamweaver connected to your web server successfully cool so once you get your information, and you can mash the test button, to see if you're.
Michael T Ganschow Green: If you're disco if your dream Weaver as good and plugged in once you're done entering in your information, putting the ftp host in the ftp address your.
Michael T Ganschow Green: username here and your password here and i've tested it, you can now match the SAVE button and suddenly there's a server in here fact I can Double Click on the server and rename it if I want.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I am taft Sir we're.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Bam save there it is cool so that in place, I can now go save are you sure yeah i'm sure.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Okay, and then a good done.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So now.
Michael T Ganschow Green: What I do here is I come over here to my files palette which looks no different than the files palette has the last four classes, but.
Michael T Ganschow Green: What we're going to do is is actually does look a little different I take that back i'd like to you guys, it does look different i'm a liar head they've added in this second little row.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Of buttons for controls this connects to your server these are upload and download errors this refreshes the file view and this thing.
Michael T Ganschow Green: This thing's magical so these little guys up here up in the top left, you will see them if you go to your files tab and you open up your files palette and you go in work on this thing what you can do, then, is.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Once you see these guys in place, you can send all this up for ftp and now as much as the server setup is a little more complex and dreamweaver so is actually ftp.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So if I click on this little button right here this little expand and contract button if I click on this guy right here it suddenly peels out my files palette and turns it into a pop up window in the Center of my dream lever okay.
Michael T Ganschow Green: let's see doing let's see oh I got a question here sorry Australia, I did not see you do we also upload a dream Weaver know if you have files zilla or some other.
Michael T Ganschow Green: ftp program you don't need to use them both all you need to do is whichever ftp program you are comfortable with just upload your.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Your preliminary work in your working graphics folder there just dump it in your student folder via this, this is just another way to access that if you don't want to use file zilla.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So, so this is basically how you turn in the preliminary work now.
Michael T Ganschow Green: For those of you who maybe a little confused on this you're actually turning in your project two different ways i've got several questions about this today, actually, so thank you for reminding me of that question Estrella the the.
Michael T Ganschow Green: The project is actually do two different ways, the first bit is you take your final design and you make me a computer version and a mobile version and you post that on.
Michael T Ganschow Green: The project one forum as your project one final critique and it's done exactly the same way as you posted your preliminary it's basically just stick a couple of images up.
Michael T Ganschow Green: i'm also in the forum post don't forget to provide your to your to informational links for the preliminary work, you were providing your to inspirational links, so this one is your to informational links so once we get those up and going.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Then we are all set that to turn what are you learning about sigh pardon the interruption i'm sure you guys can hear she's having a good time at me talking loudly so um once you.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Once you turn in that once you turn in the forum post.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You know hi my name is Michael Gantt chart green, this is my final project, these are what this is what the project asked for, and this is what I how I think it's solved the problem.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Which a bunch of you were really good at on your preliminaries same thing on this one, once you get all of that set.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Then, before you start critiquing other people's.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You must go and.
Michael T Ganschow Green: An ftp you're.
Michael T Ganschow Green: you're working graphics folder that has your preliminary work to me that way I can way I can great.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So that's just kind of a quick coverage of turning in project one make a forum post that's got your final design on it in mobile and computer format, as well as your to informational links and then ftp me your preliminary work on your into your student folder.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And then, once you've done that you have seven days seven days from the time you turn stuff in to the time seven days afterwards so basically like.
Michael T Ganschow Green: From midnight on Friday to midnight on a week from Friday.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So Friday night to Friday night to leave critique on everyone's posts and that's really the tallest order here is there 30 of you.
Michael T Ganschow Green: there's probably gonna be somewhere in the mid 20s turning in final projects, so I it's going to take a bit for you guys to critique.
Michael T Ganschow Green: don't be daunted by it it's a lot trust me, I know I got to do them all to but um but just break them up and do a little each night, if you can, and if you do a few each night and makes it a lot less a lot less terrible so you do five each night and you'll be done before you know it.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Alright, so I was any other questions on that thing before I finish up dreamweaver ftp and that was a good reminder Thank you stay.
Michael T Ganschow Green: cool.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Alright, so becky dreamweaver we now have our.
Michael T Ganschow Green: finals menu or files palette popped up into a pop up window using this expand button right here my click it again my files palette resumes where it was in the top right corner so boom pop it open.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Now I need to hook into the remote server so i've already input all of the server information in my when I set up my site route and I click test to make sure it works, so, in theory, if I click this little plug right here.
Michael T Ganschow Green: And when I connect to it over here your name should appear yay there, they are look at that big pile of names has appeared cool okay all right so.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Unfortunately.
Michael T Ganschow Green: dreamweaver does not make it as easy as file zilla in terms of uploading your files either Okay, in order to upload your working graphics folder.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You and you can't really just Double Click on your folder and it'll make a blank screen and go.
Michael T Ganschow Green: and put stuff in instead, you have to take your work and graphics folder from your local site route over here and carefully drag and drop it over the top of your names very carefully.
Michael T Ganschow Green: drag and drop it so again click on it, and a very can notice I got a plus sign next to my arrow a drag and drop i'd go over the top of my name, so it highlights, and then I let go and what it will do is it will load the working graphic zip into my folder.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Maybe.
Michael T Ganschow Green: It does take a little while there it goes so let's take let's take a minute or two well this thing does this um dreamweaver is.
Michael T Ganschow Green: A little bit slower and ftp in connection to be the connection speed and file zilla as well it's certainly not my preference for ftp and I like using dedicated ftp programs file zilla.
Michael T Ganschow Green: cute ftp cyber duck those guys I like using them over using dreamweaver but you don't want to use a third party ftp software and you have dreamweaver wow.
Michael T Ganschow Green: This is one way to do it so right now it's it's actually thinking it's uploading the file and this thing is a bar will jump in in like a minute or two here to almost complete because dreamweaver as a sense of humor about loading these things.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So while this is loading here before I get into renaming and deleting and all of that, on the server do you guys have any questions.
Michael T Ganschow Green: or goes and it's.
Michael T Ganschow Green: cool alright, so now, if you want to edit any files over here, change your names delete them whatever I come over here, and you control click on the file okay now dreamweaver gives a whole different flat menu then or pop up menu then.
Michael T Ganschow Green: files ella does.
Michael T Ganschow Green: dream weavers case you want to go up to the top of the pop up menu and come down to edit okay.
Michael T Ganschow Green: edit which is 1234 down will let you do a whole bunch of things you can cut files copy them and paste them if you copied one.
Michael T Ganschow Green: You can also delete files duplicate files and rename them such rename this file again hi rename or delete.
Michael T Ganschow Green: me, and you can rename files, you can also if you're feeling cheeky drag files around so let's say somebody is let's say I missed when I was dragging and I accidentally dropped mine in poor niches student folder here you sure you want to move, yes, so and I accidentally dropped my.
Michael T Ganschow Green: My work in niches here, I can.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Open his folder up come back and drag it back to mind if I need to now to delete a file it's just as simple as.
Michael T Ganschow Green: As right clicking on the file or control clicking if you're on a MAC without to button mouse or I come over here and I mash delete so I go to.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Four down from the top here and then for down here and there's my delete manage that and it says, do you really want it, and I say yes, I do kaboom and the file is gone bang bang it's gone, just like that.
Michael T Ganschow Green: So questions on dreamweaver.
Michael T Ganschow Green: questions on file zilla.
Michael T Ganschow Green: questions on ftp.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Pretty straightforward job.
Michael T Ganschow Green: takes a little bit of work.
Michael T Ganschow Green: I recommend either watching this video or, and this will be up tomorrow night or watching my other class where I DEMO this last class.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Where I go in much more detail last class, this is the quickie one um so and feel free to pause and things like that, so you can kind of thirdly ticketing.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Otherwise.
Michael T Ganschow Green: That officially concludes the official lecture portion of class and I now open the floor to you guys i'm going to turn off the recording here because.
Michael T Ganschow Green: Well, I may turn it on if somebody asks a compelling enough question that I think several people will have but i'm going to pause the recording for.